EU REFERENDUM: WHO SPEAKS FOR YOU?


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Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission

Post # 1-of-4 on the subject of the UK’s EU Referendum: how will you decide which way to vote?         A Punter’s Guide.

Who Speaks for You?

Hello and welcome to Moraymint Chatter.  I’m assuming you’re here because you saw the notice I placed in The Northern Scot newspaper this week.  In any case, thanks for looking in.  As my Northern Scot notice implies, democracy in Moray has gone a bit pear shaped when it comes to the debate about whether the UK should ‘Remain’ in the European Union, or ‘Leave’ the Union.  The political class in Moray in particular, and in Scotland as a whole – the Scottish Nationalists, the Tories, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, The Green Party – have all decided to coalesce around a predetermined view: the UK will be better off remaining in the European Union.  Full stop.  Too bad if you wish to explore the alternative option; nobody in Scottish politics is interested in your case.  Apart from the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) – unpopular and largely unheard as it is in Scotland – there isn’t a mainstream political party arguing for the UK to Leave the European Union.  This is not democracy in action, it’s a one-party state, and that should make you uneasy.

The Libertarian View

Before we go any further you might ask what’s Moraymint’s political persuasion?  Well, let’s be clear about what I’m not.  I’m not a Scottish Nationalist; I’m not a Tory, nor a capitalist per se; I’m not a Labour supporter, nor a socialist; I’m not a Liberal Democrat; I’m not Green.  I’m a Libertarian (there’s a link below).  I believe that liberty should be the core political value of modern civilisation, the one that gives substance and form to all the other values of social life.  As a Libertarian I believe in maximising personal autonomy and freedom of choice; I’m keen on political freedom (rather than political parties joining forces to thump out a single view, for example); I believe in voluntary association (join whichever club you like, pray to whomever you like, donate money to whatever cause appeals to you, and so on and so forth); I believe in self-reliance and the primacy of individual judgement.  Fundamentally, I’m suspicious of politicians and ‘the state’.  It’s on this basis that I approach the question, should I vote for the UK to Remain in the EU, or to Leave?

The Political Class

Since the various mainstream political parties have chosen to coalesce around a single view – that the UK should Remain in the EU, come what may – then it’s reasonable to lump those political parties together and refer to them collectively as The Political Class.  In his book, The Triumph of the Political Class, Peter Oborne defines The Political Class as:

The new ruling elite of Britain, a group characterised by its professionalised attitude to politics rather than old fashioned ideology, and which has made party-political differences non-existent in its pursuit of power and patronage.’

I’m challenging The Political Class’s case for Remaining in the EU – and I’d like to share that challenge with you here and, indeed, invite your comments below.  Incidentally, Moraymint Chatter has had some 80,000 hits over time, from all over the world, and so your own views on this matter could reach quite a wide audience.  Please do take part in the discussion.

Voting Intentions Today

Broadly speaking, at the time of writing, the opinion polls suggest one of two scenarios.  Either the British electorate is evenly split between Remain and Leave, or the electorate is about 40% in favour of Remain, 40% in favour of Leave and 20% undecided.  This, of course, is at odds with The Political Class which is 100% in favour of Remain.  This disconnect between The Political Class and the voting public is stark.  For me, it demonstrates the extent to which The Political Class is significantly out of touch with vast swathes of the people whom supposedly they serve.

On What Basis Should I Make My Decision?

Before we look at the various factors affecting your decision about the UK’s membership of the EU, we should ask if there is any fundamental factor to consider here?  Is there a profound basis from which to explore the arguments for and against the European Union?  Think of the EU as a club and imagine for a moment that you’re contemplating joining that club.  Your first questions might include, ‘What’s this club all about?  Who are its members?  ‘Will I ‘fit’ in this club?’.  We can summarise these musings in a single question, ‘What is the culture of the club which is the European Union?’.  The culture of an organisation is the set of norms, values and beliefs which permeate the organisation and determine how its people behave.  You then have to ask yourself whether you’d feel comfortable being a member of this club.

The Great Deception

If you were minded to read the unexpurgated history of the European Union (as I have), you would discover that it is a club founded upon deceit.  Now, you don’t have to take my word for this; you could, for example, read Booker & North’s ‘The Great Deception’, or Marta Andreasen’s ‘Brussels Laid Bare’, or Craig & Elliott’s, ‘The Great European Rip-Off’ to name just three accounts of the dubious history and culture of the club you’re contemplating joining.

Within these histories and descriptions, you will discover evidence of the deception at the heart of the European Union.  Perhaps the motto of the European Union was best articulated by its founding father, Jean Monnet, a French political economist and diplomat revered by Europhiles.  Monnet said that:

Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening.  This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.

A European Superstate

The point is that the central goal of the political and bureaucratic elites who govern us through the auspices of the Treaty of Lisbon and the European Commission is to form a single European superstate.  The Political Class will deny this at every turn because it’s in their interest so to do.  The Political Class will abide by the EU’s central deceit, that is to persuade you and me that the purpose of the Union is to secure economic advantage for its peoples.  This is a lie touted by The Political Class consistent with the culture of the club of which you’re contemplating Remaining as a member, or Leaving.

When It Becomes Serious, You Have to Lie

At this point it’s worth referring to words spoken by the current President of the European Commission (our de facto Head of State), Mr Jean-Claude Juncker, who has said the following at certain times:

Monetary policy is a serious issue.  We should discuss this in secret, in the Eurogroup … I’m ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious … I am for secret, dark debates.

We decide on something, leave it lying around and wait and see what happens.  If no-one kicks up a fuss, because most people don’t understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.’

When it becomes serious, you have to lie.’

You’re On Your Own

Remember that Mr Juncker has a supreme level of power over your life and mine.  Independent research commissioned by ‘Business for Britain’ concluded that some 65% of the laws of our land now emanate from Mr Juncker’s unelected, unaccountable pseudo-government in Brussels, the European Commission (Edit: but please see Dr Richard North’s evidence on this matter.  Christopher Booker also points out that, ‘all that can be fairly said about the matter is that a great deal of our law now comes to us via the EU but quite how much it is impossible to quantify’).  The UK has no meaningful influence over the workings of the European Union holding as it does just 1/28th, or less than 4% of the voting power of the club.  The culture of the European Union is founded upon deceit, operates today on the basis of deceit and is not interested in anything the UK might propose to counter that deceit.  Indeed, on the contrary, The Political Class stands four-square behind the European Union and lives by Jean-Claude Juncker’s propensity to lie.  British politicians have bought into The Great Deception and are hardly going to explain to you and me the advantages of voting to Leave.  It explains why no political party, bar one, is prepared to serve the 20 million or so British people either undecided about, or minded to vote for the UK to Leave the European Union.  You’re on your own when it comes to researching the pros and cons of membership of the EU.  Hence me putting up these posts in the coming weeks.

A Failure of Democracy

If you think about it, it’s a spectacular failure of democracy when 20 million voters have nowhere to go politically; when no political party speaks for half the nation’s electorate.  UKIP would argue that they’re the political party of the Leavers.  However, the truth is that, for one reason or another, UKIP lacks the widespread appeal of the traditional mainstream parties.  And, therefore, that half of the British public minded perhaps to see the UK Leave the EU find themselves in the hands of a ragtag and bobtail of individual politicians deemed by The Political Class to be mavericks.  This suits The Political Class and the European Union perfectly.

The Culture of the Club

This is nothing to do with Boy George.  The point is this.  As we prepare to look at the factors affecting your decision and mine to vote for the UK to Remain in, or to Leave the EU, henceforth please bear in mind the culture of the club of which you’re contemplating membership.  At this stage you may wish to recall the occasion when Groucho Marx wrote to his club, the Friar’s Club of Beverly Hills, along the following lines: ‘Please accept my resignation.  I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member.’  Perhaps Jean-Claude Juncker should write in similar vein to his club, the European Union?  How do you fancy being a member of a club founded upon deceit?

There is no question of any erosion of essential national sovereignty.

Edward Heath, Britain’s Prime Minister 1970 – 74

Coming Next

In the coming posts we’ll look at some of the hard factors – economic, political and social – affecting your decision and mine about the UK’s membership of the EU.  Please comment on this post, challenging my own views if you wish.  Indeed, why not link this post to your MP, your MSP, your MEP and your local councillor?  Ask them for their views.  Share it with your family and friends.  Share it on Twitter.  Share it on your Facebook page.  Get the word out.  Show The Political Class that they don’t have a monopoly on this debate.  Remember that despite the best efforts of the Prime Minister (who is at the vanguard of The Political Class) to dictate a single view, you and I have a choice here.  Don’t be intimated; trust your great British judgement.

Look to the right of this web page and you’ll see a section ‘FOLLOW BLOG VIA EMAIL’. Enter your email address in the box, click on the ‘Follow’ button, follow the on-screen instructions and you’ll be alerted to the next post in this series.  All the best for now and many thanks for taking the trouble to visit Moraymint Chatter.  The future of our country is at stake.

Finally, please take a moment to watch this short video:

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Useful Links

Libertarianism:         http://tinyurl.com/9j8uz

The Freedom Association:  http://tinyurl.com/hgl73mn

Vote Leave:   http://tinyurl.com/h3dkbgt

Leave.EU:      http://tinyurl.com/j6ovduz

How a Secretive Elite Created the EU:     http://tinyurl.com/h4xt298

There is No Conspiracy:     http://tinyurl.com/jrb883y

The EU Cheerleaders Are Starting to Panic:        http://tinyurl.com/zl7pweo

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39 comments

  1. […] EU Referendum: Who speaks for you?  by Moraymint. Forthright views on the question of democracy and Brexit from a blogger in the far north of Scotland. […]

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  2. By “him” I mean her lawyer.

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  3. Spawny has just produced this link on his blog:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/03/24/watch-the-moment-iain-dale-tells-suzanne-evans-her-lawyer-confirms-breitbarts-wife-beating-farage-story/

    I thought Suzanne Evans was a fairly sound spokesperson for UKIP.

    Was the threat mis-timed, either by her not informing him of the interview or by him not following her instructions? Was that why she was so pissed off? What a cock up.

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  4. I live Down Under, but brexit is a hell of an important in my neck of the woods. From a distance, it’s difficult to understand why a country would hand over it’s sovereignty to a bureaucracy. I can’t understand why anyone would want to stay in the E.U.

    The U.K. will be better off economically if it leaves. New Zealand, which had always regarded the British Isles as the “mother country”, was left high and dry when the U.K. joined the E.U. If a tiny little country on the bum of the world could go it alone, the U.K. certainly can.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Cill. The price of Britain’s entry to the (then) ‘Common Market’ was that Britain and her Commonwealth were expected to abandon much of their existing trade with each other. At the time, Prime Minister Macmillan sent several of his Cabinet ministers around the Commonwealth capitals pleading for their agreement with what he intended to do. These were countries which, less than 20 years before, had sent some 4 million of their citizens to fight alongside Britain in World War II. The Commonwealth was to be dealt a mighty economic blow, which most of its member countries viewed as incomprehensible betrayal.

      Like you, those of us arguing for the UK to leave the European Union struggle to understand why any British citizen would opt to surrender his freedom, democracy and prosperity – without a fight – to an unelected politico-bureaucratic elite with its ‘centre of gravity’ on foreign soil. Sometimes, I think that 20 million British people, led by The Political Class, have been consumed by some sort of collective insanity. In fact, it’s the result of half-a-century’s worth of errant political ambition, supremely clever propaganda (unprecedented in its scale and effect) and groupthink: http://tinyurl.com/6r73uxn

      All the best to you and yours down-under …

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  5. Cynic_Rick · ·

    Excellent synopsis. You mention ‘The Great Deception’ by Booker & North but I wonder if you are aware of Dr Richard AE North’s site:

    http://www.eureferendum.com

    I suspect a link between you and he could be mutually beneficial…

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Rick, and I was indeed aware of Richard North’s website. I may well contact him directly. The more we can all work together to counter the prospect of the inevitable end of the UK as a sovereign nation, the better.

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  6. Excellent – well written, short and well researched. i will be sharing.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Mark. Every little helps. Part 2 in the series will go up tomorrow …

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  7. I am voting no but only on a couple of points … no immigration is not top of the pile nor human rights because they are built like a sweetner add on.

    1.) The EU never manages to sign off a proper set of economic books in all its history so there can never be economic truth. Is it hiding a corrupt institution???

    2.) None of the current yes voters are prepared to give up the pound but are so dumb not to realise you you cannot have 2 central banks in an economic region in the UK case BOE and ECB. The effect of the ECB is even now economically affecting any UK economic policy.

    3.) Then possibly the last and most important is our Democracy. For 50 years now if the UK objected to some EU policy / directive we could walk away or ignore tbh. The population was not bound through a “yes let the EU make all the rules etc.”. For this is what happens if we stay in, the EU can demand us to do enact some policy and by voting “yes” we have no way to refuse.

    4.) Our parliament and accountability on a national scale is worthless like the argument of local democracy when national policies determine what actually happens. You can have all the local democracy in the world but it can be totally obliterated by parliament like all the cost cutting. On top of that you will still be made to pay for this parliament and the EU one when in fact parliament and the lords can be done away with.

    Those points economic and democratic are the central threads and all the other points rest on this. Now as I see it they want a yes vote because the EU is an economic disaster and they cannot apply the full horror of bailins and nirp they wish without this YES vote. You think you are voting for an economic nicety so they tell us what I think you find is the decisions will be economic nasties.

    Economically at this time the global economy does not add up and in my mind can only get worse.

    Vote yes if you want but just remember you are possibly binding you children into a future they will have no choice on. Hence my parents are voting no, they are not binding their living great grand children into the above. The EU is no longer just a trade agreement is it a sovereign state and like all empires it will take more and more to make its economy add up, warts and all.

    I want to be a member of the global economy, not the crony EU economy no more than a protected subset of the global economy. That is the real prize out there …

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks for taking the trouble to set out your thoughts here. In the coming 3 posts I shall be exploring in more detail many of the points you’ve raised above on matters of the economy, the political arrangements of the EU and the impact of these factors on our society and way of life. We should be under no illusion that there is a fierce political and institutional determination to keep the British people lashed to the European Commission (which is the present and future de facto government of all EU member countries).

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  8. CraigR · ·

    Hi Moraymint, another interesting post, I couldn’t agree with you more. I found the “negotiations” with “Dodgy Dave” and his pals in Europe a complete joke! I pray that common sense will prevail when it comes to the June vote. I think that a lot of people will base their decision on sound bites and head lines, something the Establishment, BBC etc have a monopoly over – not an ideal situation. I look forward to more of your posts, Regards.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Craig. It’s my fervent hope too that common-sense prevails at the Referendum. I have several concerns though, not least is voter apathy. It’s terribly important for the Leave campaigners to push and fight back against the enormous inertia and propaganda power of The Political Class and their media partners …

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  9. flyer · ·

    Yay! I’ve been banned from the Telegraph across all my accounts. I take this as a sign of success and I’m glad I’ve pi*sed the barstards of enough that they’d do this. I’m a very competent hacker and although I don’t use these skills (normally): I can hack them anytime I want.

    I’m so flattered that I’ve been banned for life. These people are getting worried, we’re winning. I guess I’ll just have to have my rants here now mm: I hope you don’t mind.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Hello (again) flyer. Keep it polite and rant away!

      It strikes me that the Telegraph has been slowly, steadily closing down opportunities to comment on its pages. Like the BBC funnily enough.

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      1. flyer · ·

        Well I am always polite, if a little blunt at times. I must admit there is the odd occasion over the years when the Merlot has gotten the better of me, but I won’t do it here.

        The Telegraph has been becoming another propagandist rag for quite sometime, so I won’t miss it.

        But the referendum is in June, we need to be p*ss*ng the establishment off. This is what democracy has become: democracy is OK as long as you vote for who you’re told to vote for.

        I for one have had enough!

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  10. As a fellow Scot, may I take this opportunity to say thank you for penning such a good article. At the 2015 GE, I found myself for the first time in the 34 years that I have been eligible to vote with no-one I could conceivably vote for, and duly spoiled my balllot paper with a comment to that effect. I doubt anyone in the political class noticed or cared, in the same way that they seem not to care that a large number of people support Leave. I look forward to reading your future articles.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      You make a good point, of course. It is shameful that all the main or traditional political parties have allied themselves with the European Commission. In fact, it stinks. I live in the hope that they’ll get their comeuppance in the fullness of time.

      It was good and right of you to spoil your ballot paper rather than not voting at all. I think the Electoral Commission should argue the case for having spoilt ballot papers counted.

      Click on the ‘Follow’ button, stay in touch, and spread the word …

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  11. Robert E Lee · ·

    You know you’re ‘singing to the choir’ in my case mm.Your comment re the appeal (lack of it in the case of UKIP) of the mainstream parties is off the mark I feel. Inertia, habit and stupidity is what gets the mainstreamers a tick in the box. Appeal has nothing to do with it. I’m currently skiing with number one son in Andorra. Keep up the good work. Regards, REL.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks and, yes, the challenge is to break people out of their traditional voting mindsets and allegiances …

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  12. Fanakapan · ·

    Not one dissenting voice in the comments, should we employ the same logic there ?

    Its likely to be the case that considered debate will be largely absent in the next 100 or so days, it will be drowned out by the voices of those who have already settled their position on the issue 🙂

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Fanakapan. Honestly, what I’d really like is for someone to draw my attention to an account of the workings of the European Union which provides evidence for its political decency, integrity and probity, and it’s democratic credentials. To date, I have yet to see such a description of that club. Feel free to give me a steer!

      If you read and re-read my post above, where does it fail to stack up, pray tell me?

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  13. graphicconception · ·

    The EU appears to have a good scam going at the moment. It takes money from the ordinary person and passes some of it back to large, influential bodies in the UK. This includes environmental organisations and scientific research institutions. The finance industry also sees benefits. Those bodies are now all lobbying to remain in the EU – because it directly benefits them. Basically, they are being bribed to say that the EU is good. What they have all missed is the fact that there would be more money to be spread round if the EU was not involved.

    The politicians are in favour of remaining in the EU because it gives them a promotion path from UK politics. Many will be able to wangle a job as EU Commissioner after leaving UK politics with a salary starting of € 20,666 – per month! Source: http://en.euabc.com/word/814 . I wonder if that is influencing Leon Brittan’s decision to remain?

    It is quite clear by now that the original “common market” proposal was just the thin end of a wedge. The intent is to become a United States of Europe and the political elite that would run it are not entirely in favour of democracy.

    As with the recent Scottish Referendum, I think Cameron may have misjudged this. We English were taken over by Scotland in the year 1603. Mary Stuart beat Elizabeth Tudor eventually, albeit posthumously. I would not want to change that. Conversely, the EU is not primarily about the co-operation of neighbours but more about the establishment of a selfish ruling elite whose only interest in the people is as suppliers of their wealth and power.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      For some time I’ve seen similarities between the EU and the situation that pertained in the Middle Ages. What we seem to be witnessing and experiencing is a regression to a 21st century form of feudalism. It’s also like the proverbial boiling of the frog. The process is being carried out, minute-by-minute, inch-by-inch without us hardly noticing. Until one morning, metaphorically, we’ll wake up to find ourselves as the mother-of-all serfs …

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  14. Reblogged this on Wolsten and commented:
    Some great points to consider in evaluating the pros and cons of EU membership, particularly the role of the political class in shaping our decision making.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks wolsten; appreciated. The more we can get the truth out, the better …

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  15. Old Goat · ·

    Excellent, and looking forward to future instalments.

    I’ve taken the liberty of re-posting on Breitbart, and Going Postal, if that’s OK.

    Old Goat

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks and that’s fine Old Goat. Let’s spread the word …

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  16. Very pleased to have read your analysis of the corrupt beast known as the EU. You rightly point out that those who claim to govern us show real contempt of our desire to be a proper functioning democracy.

    Watching day after day of bias issuing forth from the MSM and political class (save a few) is extremely frustrating to a point of real anger, I hope your comments reach an extensive audience, we need to get to the those who are on the fence. Back slapping of those on the leave side may help moral but does nothing to get the message heard in the right places.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Brian. It’s not obvious from the blog itself, but the statistics that I can access ‘behind the curtain’ so to speak, show tens of thousands of visitors to the site, but who don’t make their presence known. Others are also linking from their own media to this blog. I’m confident that the message is being shared quite widely. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, the future of our country really is at stake here. For the life of me I don’t understand why our Political Class is selling us down the river in this way, but there’s no question in my mind that a European superstate is the mission of the European politico-bureaucratic elites, aided and abetted by most of our own Establishment in the UK. Historians of the future will look back on this era and wonder what the hell was going through the minds of our politicos. Only ‘people power’ can save us now from the clutches of the Europhiles.

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  17. Thanks for writing this series Moraymint. I will distributing to my colleagues on UKIP’s NEC, our MEPs & other Ukippers.

    I’m appalled at The Political Class. They have no concept of a fully sovereign UK re-engaging with the whole World and making her own laws.

    Their slogan: Stronger, Safer, Richer is a sick joke & insult to our intelligence.

    Cameron has no principles; he’s just another snake oil salesman, willing to sell his country down the river. No doubt he wants to follow his political hero, the great socialist Bliar!

    Brits need to lift their heads up and remember the sacrifices our forebears made to give our generation freedom & democracy, priceless gifts that LibLabCon, the Greens & the EU despise.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Noted, thanks John. Let’s get the word out in a way which appeals to, and can be readily understood by the man/woman on the street.

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  18. Reblogged this on Tallbloke's Talkshop and commented:
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    The Moray Mint cuts to the dark heart of the matter. Our political class are deceiving us and her majesty’s opposition are absent, or suppressed.

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    1. Nige Turner · ·

      Her Majesty’s opposition is part of the conspiracy.

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      1. moraymint · ·

        Yes.

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  19. flyer · ·

    This probably won’t be one of my best comments as I’ve just got home from the pub slightly worse for wear. But hey! We are libertarians.

    The European Union, as much as I hate and despise it; it is getting to be old news. Just look at the trade deals that have been and are about to be signed. The TPPA, TTIP and TISA: they encompass the world, remind me of the Common Market and have the USA as their fulcrum. Our politicians sold us out long ago, with their wild eyed enthusiasm to join a world political elite.

    None of these (so called) trade deals has anything to do with trade or our well being, they’re about undermining national sovereignty.

    Angela Merkel has recently said what we all know: ‘multiculturalism is a failed experiment,’ and yet the politicos still blindly pursue this doctrine.The world is full of evidence that multiculturalism is a failure, ie: Israel and Palestine, the ex Yugoslavia, Northern Ireland, the list if you care to do the research is endless: and yet our politicians continue to pursue this failed experiment. As the world runs out of resources and economies crash, it’s only natural that our struggles will be fought along ethnic battle lines. I suppose our politicians are hoping to be part of a global elite and leave us on a road to perdition; now that our industry has gone and we’ve been bled dry, they have no further use for us anyway.

    Wake up! If we have to fight for resources, fight to survive: don’t let these spineless political worms walk all over you: they no longer represent you and are no longer fit for their positions.

    Stand up for yourselves and for starters: ‘vote out of the European Union.’

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  20. Richard Ross · ·

    Commercial treaties – yes. Cultural exchanges – yes. But political governance – why? What purpose does the European Parliament have, in a continent comprised of countries with democratically elected governments? Britain joined the EC. The EU is an altogether different prospect. Anyone who has been to Greece, and also to Holland, can identify at a stroke the differences between these two countries and their peoples – there would be no common denominator at all were Greece and Holland to be found on different continents from each other – the fact that they are both in the continent called Europe is coincidence, not an indication that they should be run along identical lines. Good write-up Mark – the mainstream media could do with articles as lucid as this.

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    1. moraymint · ·

      Thanks Richard. It strikes me that a lot of what one reads in the mainstream media is either somewhat obscure or, inevitably, is weighted towards Remain. The Political Class, the Establishment, the BBC, a lot of the other mainstream media, the big business community, the big charities, the NGOs etc are all in favour of keeping this country lashed to the European Union, primarily for self-serving reasons – little to do with the best interests of the ordinary Brit in the long-term.

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  21. Totally with you, Moraymint – have said since at least Maastricht that the Commission is trying to create a new Holy Roman Empire (of which it was said: it is neither holy nor Roman).

    I also find it sourly amusing that this saintly Union, so dedicated to peace and unity, cannot even agree on where its Parliament should sit, and therefore plays out a regular and extremely farce (at my expense) to shuttle between Brussels and Strasbourg.

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